Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast Inside Rail. It's going to be a strange one. You've

probably noticed that this is not the usual set. I'm of course sitting with Tucker Carlson,

a friend of mine in his set. He has graciously agreed not only to talk to me today on Dark Horse,

but also to let me use his studio.

So thank you for that and welcome to Dark Horse.

Oh, it's an honor.

We talk so much on the phone and I think of you as one of the world's wise and sane people.

It's just a blessing to have you here.

So thank you.

Well, thank you.

That's very nice of you to say.

I will say this is a mission for me.

And let me just say up front, I don't do interviews.

I'm not a journalist.

I'm a biologist, as you know, and I have discussions with people who are worth having

discussions with.

So I'll probably talk more than I would if I was interviewing you.

But let me tell you a little bit about what my mission is and why I decided to come here

to talk to you.

I've known you for some time.

We met, you probably remember, in 2017 when Evergreen melted down and you reached out.

You wanted to talk to me about the story.

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