Unfurling The Myth: Narrative As Interface Between Psyche & The Field

Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

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Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Science, Documentary

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🗓️ 21 August 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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In this episode, Kelly shares her recent paper Unfurling the Myth, presented at the University of Exeter during a workshop on Process Philosophy, Plasma Cosmology, and Transpersonal Psychology. This gathering brought together scientists, philosophers, and researchers—including Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, Massimo Teodorani, and Nick Cook—to explore the possibility that plasma, the fourth state of matter, could serve as a substrate for non-biological intelligence. Kelly’s paper argues that the UFO phenomenon is not just an anomaly in the sky but a relational event—an encounter that engages the psyche through the deep structures of narrative. Rather than delivering answers, the phenomenon generates mystery, catalyzing transformation on both personal and cultural levels. Drawing on thinkers like Robert Temple, Jacques Vallée, and Eric Davis, as well as research in narrative cognition and the psychology of curiosity, Kelly explores how UFOs may function as mythic initiators: destabilizing our categories of knowledge, activating curiosity, and compelling us to tell new stories. These stories are not just interpretations but mechanisms of reality-making—reshaping our understanding of self, world, and cosmos. Plasma cosmology and the possibility of plasma-based intelligence The UFO as relational event, not just object or craft Narrative as a generative interface between psyche and field How curiosity and myth catalyze transformation The “Call to Adventure” in experiencer narratives Cultural and personal shifts documented in experiencer research The UFO as evolutionary function, seeding new myths and meanings Whether you’re new to these ideas or steeped in the mysteries of UFOs, this episode invites you to consider the phenomenon not as something to solve, but as something to participate in—a story in which we are all co-creators. Resources Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven Jacques Vallée & Eric Davis, Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness George Loewenstein, The Psychology of Curiosity Will Storr, The Science of Storytelling Stanislav & Christina Grof, Spiritual Emergency Hernandez et al., Beyond UFOs Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 00:38 Exploring Plasma Cosmology 01:22 The Significance of Plasma-Based Intelligence 02:20 Introduction to the Paper: Unfurling the Myth 03:25 Understanding the UFO Phenomenon 04:51 The Role of Narrative in UFO Encounters 06:45 Rethinking the UFO 11:25 Curiosity and the Mythic Initiation 15:30 Awakening the Hero Within 19:57 Remaking the World Through UFO Encounters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	You live your whole life and then in one second you learn what it's like for primal terror to swallow you, mind and body.
0:16.0	He was standing in the hallway, lit only on his left side by the bulb.
0:26.5	Just as he appeared in the photograph I'd found, he was very small, much shorter than his
0:32.3	brother, my father, Eric. The family had said he'd always been boy-faced and a bit skinny. Now, standing
0:40.9	there, he looked old and sick as well. But he looked angry, too. Not for a moment that I think
0:49.7	he was alive, and some terrible mistake had been made. I knew instinctively that he was not really there, that I was looking at Herman in the depleted
1:00.5	physical state he had died in.
1:04.0	He was wrong, he said again, his whole body trembling slightly.
1:09.6	He jabbed his finger toward me, almost in tears.
1:13.7	I could have been a chemist.
1:15.6	I had the grades.
1:18.3	I think I tried to speak then, but it was stable.
1:22.3	Uncle Herman kept his finger pointed in a threatening way,
1:26.6	as if it were up to me to change the past.
1:30.6	He turned with creaky slowness and took a couple of steps deeper into the hallway, toward the kitchen,
1:37.7	leaving all light behind him, becoming a silhouette.
1:41.5	He turned back just before he reached the threshold of the other room. His face was a
1:46.8	black blur, but his voice was still clear. There's a fourth body, you know, he said, voice,
1:54.9	hoarse. Shovel still in the shed.
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