Unfurling The Myth: Narrative As Interface Between Psyche & The Field

Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

SpectreVision Radio

Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Documentary

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🗓️ 21 August 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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In this episode, Kelly shares her recent paper Unfurling the Myth, presented at the University of Exeter during a workshop on Process Philosophy, Plasma Cosmology, and Transpersonal Psychology. This gathering brought together scientists, philosophers, and researchers—including Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, Massimo Teodorani, and Nick Cook—to explore the possibility that plasma, the fourth state of matter, could serve as a substrate for non-biological intelligence. Kelly’s paper argues that the UFO phenomenon is not just an anomaly in the sky but a relational event—an encounter that engages the psyche through the deep structures of narrative. Rather than delivering answers, the phenomenon generates mystery, catalyzing transformation on both personal and cultural levels. Drawing on thinkers like Robert Temple, Jacques Vallée, and Eric Davis, as well as research in narrative cognition and the psychology of curiosity, Kelly explores how UFOs may function as mythic initiators: destabilizing our categories of knowledge, activating curiosity, and compelling us to tell new stories. These stories are not just interpretations but mechanisms of reality-making—reshaping our understanding of self, world, and cosmos. Plasma cosmology and the possibility of plasma-based intelligence The UFO as relational event, not just object or craft Narrative as a generative interface between psyche and field How curiosity and myth catalyze transformation The “Call to Adventure” in experiencer narratives Cultural and personal shifts documented in experiencer research The UFO as evolutionary function, seeding new myths and meanings Whether you’re new to these ideas or steeped in the mysteries of UFOs, this episode invites you to consider the phenomenon not as something to solve, but as something to participate in—a story in which we are all co-creators. Resources Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven Jacques Vallée & Eric Davis, Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness George Loewenstein, The Psychology of Curiosity Will Storr, The Science of Storytelling Stanislav & Christina Grof, Spiritual Emergency Hernandez et al., Beyond UFOs Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 00:38 Exploring Plasma Cosmology 01:22 The Significance of Plasma-Based Intelligence 02:20 Introduction to the Paper: Unfurling the Myth 03:25 Understanding the UFO Phenomenon 04:51 The Role of Narrative in UFO Encounters 06:45 Rethinking the UFO 11:25 Curiosity and the Mythic Initiation 15:30 Awakening the Hero Within 19:57 Remaking the World Through UFO Encounters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Weird Studies is an arts and philosophy podcast devoted to ideas that are hard to think,
0:10.0	phenomena that resist settled explanations, and art that trails a scent of wonder.
0:16.2	Every other Wednesday, Professor Phil Ford and writer J.F. Martel open up the filing cabinet of our
0:22.1	collective mind and take out the bulging file folder labeled weird slash other.
0:28.5	In there, we find all the mysteries that terrify and fascinate us.
0:33.9	Since 2018, we've discussed UFOs, fairy tales, sun raw, ghosts, do shop's urinal, Mad Max, Sviatislavrishder's Lobster, Stanley Kubrick, Pauline Oliverus, H.P. Lovecraft, Philip K. Dick.
0:50.6	Magical philosophy, the major arcana of the taro.
0:53.6	Pan-psychism, the art of walking.
0:56.0	Ursula Leguyn, Jill de Luz, David Lynch, and much, much more besides.
1:01.7	But weird studies is not defined by these people, ideas, and artworks.
1:06.4	Behind these forms lies another form, unknown and unseen.
1:10.7	A monster. That you can't directly see, but whose vast bulk you might dimly perceive when you hear us trying to wrestle it.
1:18.3	That monster is the weird.
1:21.8	Weird studies. Coming to you from Spector Vision Radio.
1:39.1	Yeah. coming to you from Spector Vision Radio. Welcome back to Cosmosis. I'm your host, Kelly Chase.
1:45.0	Last month, I had the opportunity to attend a workshop at the University of Exeter in England on the topic of process philosophy, plasma cosmology, and trans-personal psychology.
1:51.3	This workshop, sponsored by the Center for Process Studies, the University of Exeter,
1:56.0	the University of Hawaii, and the California Institute of Integral Studies,
2:00.2	brought together a group of scientists,
2:02.3	philosophers, and researchers from very different backgrounds to spend several days in conversation.
2:08.7	We were there to wrestle with the implications of bleeding-edge science that suggests something
2:13.5	extraordinary, that plasma, the fourth state of matter, might be able to serve as a substrate
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