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Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

Fourth Wall Phantoms with Joshua Cutchin

Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

SpectreVision Radio

Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.51K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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0:00.0

Spector Vision Radio.

0:11.8

I do know that there's a long history amongst the UFO community of being like screen

0:16.4

memories and then moving on.

0:18.5

And again, that might be what's going on, but I would like the opportunity to unpack that.

0:24.2

What does screen memory mean?

0:25.7

What if it's not a screen memory?

0:27.3

And the thing that I keep on coming back to is that extraterrestrials visiting Earth

0:33.8

is not really ontological shock for me because I have an empty shelf in my head that's

0:39.5

labeled, you know, alien invasion. And like, it's waiting for something to fill that shelf,

0:44.3

right? This other idea that UFOs are so strange that they allow fictions to bleed into our

0:50.4

reality whenever they appear, that to me is my version of ontological shock.

0:56.6

Like, that's the thing that tells me that I don't know what the heck is going on with reality.

1:01.4

Welcome back to Cosmosis.

1:02.9

I'm your host, Jay Christopher King.

1:04.9

My brilliant co-host Kelly Chase will be joining us at the interview.

1:08.7

This week, we're thrilled to welcome Joshua Cutchin, a boundary-pushing

1:12.4

author whose work masterfully explores the intersections between folklore, consciousness, and high

1:17.7

strangeness. Known for his nuanced, deeply researched books, including a Trojan Feast,

1:23.6

Thieves in the Night, and the expansive masterwork ecology of souls, Joshua consistently pushes readers to rethink the ways we categorize paranormal phenomena.

1:33.3

His latest book, Fourth Wall Phantoms, dives boldly into the provocative idea that reality and storytelling may not be as separate as we assume,

1:42.3

and that fictional figures, under certain mysterious conditions,

1:46.0

could actually become perceived realities.

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