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This is Heather DeBros World and now you can live in it two times a week right here on Podcast Rod.

Well, you know, my husband and I have been together for 26 years and I consider us to have a very stable, very good relationship.

Well, until I read Terry Reale's book, us.

No, this I'm so excited.

Therapist, he's the author of us at Getting Past You and me to build a more loving relationship and a bunch of other books, family, therapist, incredibly brilliant guy.

I have learned so much. I have so many pages dog yeard.

I have so many questions. I'm thrilled to have you here. Please welcome Terrence Reale.

Hey, nice to be here. Thank you.

Oh, I'm so excited.

Call me Terry, please.

Thank you. You know what's so funny? My husband's name is Terry and it's only Terry, but everyone always writes Terrence on formal invitations and stuff, but it's just Terry.

I know. Well, my name is Terry too. In fact, I wrote my first book on male depression. It's called I don't want to talk about it.

And the publisher insisted that I call myself Terrence, even though that's not my birth name. Seriously.

To make it clear that it's being written by a boy.

So everybody says to me, well, T-E-R-R-E-N-C-E. What an unusual spelling is, who's he one R-N-A-N-C-E?

And the reason why is spell that way is because I didn't know how to spell it.

I just wrote it.

So there it is, but I'm Terry.

That's hilarious. Okay, well, let's just dive in here. You know, I have a girlfriend who is a divorce attorney and show he says, by the time the couple walks in her office, it's over.

It's done. The couple is done.

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