This is On Beings on Heart Cuts. I'm Krista Tippett. You're listening to my unedited conversation

with the late Dr. Sherwin Newland. He was an author and clinical professor of surgery at Yale

University. I spoke with him at the Chautauqua institution in New York on August 25th, 2005.

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Um, Mitch will need to get levels and then, okay, I'm all right.

I know what Tori is doing now. Is she happy?

She just started. Yeah. She just started, uh, beginning of August. And did they have children?

Two. Yeah, they've got a nine-year-old and a six-year-old. They were here, you know,

they were here, uh, first week of July, I think. Oh, in Chautauqua?

Yeah. I saw that Robert Kagan was speaking. The whole family was here for the week.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I thought of her so much, I would really like to be back into it.

Now, what did you create a major of it, Brown, since everybody creates their majors?

I majored in history. Uh-huh. Just because I found the professors of history to be.

Well, that's the way I do it, isn't it? Yeah.

And, but I think, um, it's kind of a joke because I don't, I'm terrible with dates. In fact,

I mean, it was more of bad ideas. And I think it, I learned to think and to ask good questions,

which served me well. I don't know a little secret. Believe it or not,

dates are really important because they give everything structure. Uh-huh.

It's amazing. I always hated the thought of dates. And when I got serious about medical history,

I realized that everything hung on dates and relationships of ideas to one another

had dates around them. I just don't have a good memory for dates. I have a memory for

relationships, not for the numbers. Yeah. I find that when we do, as we've been doing these

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