This is on being's unheard cuts. I'm Chris DeTippet. You're listening to my unedited conversation

with anthropologist Scott Atron. He holds appointments at the University of Michigan,

the John J College of Criminal Justice in New York, and France's National Center for Scientific

Research. I spoke with him on February 1st, 2011, from the studios of American public media in

St. Paul, Minnesota. He was in a private recording studio in New York City. Download the MP3 of the

Produced Show with Scott Atron at onbearing.org. Let me make sure first that this works.

One, two, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Hello. Hello, Chris. Oh, Chris. Hello, Chris.

Still nothing? Well, they probably couldn't hear it.

Could he not hear you then? Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, did you hear me talking to the microphones?

That's what I'm working on now. Okay, hold on one second.

I know. Mm-hmm.

Hi, Chris. Hi, here we are. Okay, thank you. I'm sorry about this delay, but here's your

best. Okay, hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hi, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Good.

Thanks for doing this. Sure. I heard you on the BBC. I think it was the middle of the night,

maybe a couple months ago. Oh, from London, yeah. And I wrote your name down in the dark and

knew that I had to have you on the show. What could you, I want to hear how you say your last name?

Atron. Atron. All right. So do you have any questions of me before we start?

Yeah, I mean, what is your focus going to be just so I put my mind in the right frame?

My focus is going to be what you were talking about in your book, talking to the enemy and

I think what you spend your life doing. Okay, I don't do book interviews per se.

I find that when people are on book tour, it's the least revealing and interesting time for them to

talk about what they do. So I'm really interested in the sweep of your work and your thought and what

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