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I'm Christa Tippett. Up next, my unedited conversation with naturalist and journalist Michael McCarthy.

There is, as always, a shorter produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.

So, Chris, I'm not hearing the echo, but you're hearing it still.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And he did say it was loud. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Uh-huh.

Sand. Hello. Hello. Can you hear me? I can. Yeah. Um, I am still hearing a little bit of an echo.

Am I still loud? No, no, you're fine. You're at a good level.

Maybe the door is open. Hang on. They're just going to try and do something. Okay.

Okay. But it's a good connection. I'm not hearing too much of a, um, no, there's no interference.

Yeah. I'm so delighted to be speaking with you. That's very kind to me. I can't tell you how much I

love your book and I'm telling everyone about it. Yeah. It says marked up as any book I have ever read.

Including the Bible, including the Bible. And I picked it up just on a table in a bookstore in

St. Paul, Minnesota. Yeah. Well, good old twin city, don't you? Yeah.

Do you have any questions for me before we get going? I don't think so. Okay. You know, I'm happy

to respond to you. Yeah. I don't, so I don't usually do, uh, we don't generally do book interviews.

But really, and I, and I, and I read a little bit and I've also looked at your, um,

some of your other writing, but, uh, I really, so, so we're not talking about the book,

but essentially we're talking about everything the book is about. Okay. That's what I, yeah. Um,

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