Okay. We made the connection between Minnesota and Australia. Okay. What time do you have?

Um, it's 6 p.m. here. I think. Okay. Thursday. Uh-huh. I'm so glad you could do this. Thank you.

I watched you. I watched the, um, the webcast of the Council on Foreign Relations event and I just

thought you were terrific. Oh, thanks. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah. I'm going to be there next month

for something. Oh. Okay. Other lines. Um, do you have any questions of me before we get going about

the program? Anything? Uh, yeah. Sure. Uh, this is a whole program, a series on, um, religion

around the world or, um, yeah, um, more on China. No. Well, the program is on, it's called speaking

of faith. It's, oh, the tagline is public radio's program about religion, meaning ethics and ideas.

And, um, we cover, we don't, we don't have a lot of religious authorities on the program,

but we try to look at how religious ideas and spiritual ethics, um, how, how they are relevant

in many spheres of life. I talked to a lot of scientists, um, um, I'm drawing a, you know, we,

we talk about issues of health and medicine and politics, um, but we kind of come at religion

from an angle and we try to open people's imaginations up, um, also about traditions that they may

think they know and don't. And I think religion in China falls into that category. Okay. So this is

something we've wanted to do for a while and I've been looking for, for the voice. Okay. Okay. So

we're on about 200, uh, public radio stations in the United States and have a big website. So

okay. Yeah. I should have, uh, checked out your website and I used to listen to NPR. You, you

don't have a much, as much of a presence here in Australia. No. But they, they do use some of your

clips and things. Yeah. Um, should we start? I'm hearing a slight echo, but let me see if I'm

back. Are you hearing an echo as well? Yes. A little. Yeah. Um, okay. Let's try. I think I'm fine,

actually. We can hear the paper, uh, moving. Oh, be careful with that when we're talking.

This is not a live interview. We, we get to have a real conversation. So, um, if you do want to stop

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