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I'm Christa Tippett, still recording from my den.

Up next, my unedited conversation with musician DeVendra Bannhart about Pemis Shudron's book, When Things Fall Apart.

There is, as always, a shorter produced version of this wherever you found this podcast.

Here we go. Hello, hello. Oh, now we have the counter, and we've begun recording.

And hello, nice to sort of meet you again.

Yes, it is.

So, do we not, we don't need levels or anything because such a thing is not possible?

Okay. Well, so this is experimental, but I figure since you're a musician you know about.

A conversation, right?

Oh, that's funny.

This is an interview version of improvisation, both technically and content-wise.

I love that. The idea of the improvisational conversation.

You know, I mean, because they all are, unless you're, it's like a play, and the conversation is kind of improvisational.

It's an adventure. Yeah. I mean, if it's good, you'll be surprised by where it goes, right?

Well, then I won't be surprised.

But I mean, this is the form here is different too. Let's say this is New Genre, because this idea that, well, first of all, you know, we're both speaking from isolation.

And reading this book that we both read as life has fallen apart again and again, but in a very special catastrophic way right now.

And this kind of, yeah, so I don't know.

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