Uneasy Money: Why Peter Steinberger and Non-Crypto People Hate the Crypto Mob

Unchained

Laura Shin

Tech News, Business News, News

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🗓️ 20 February 2026

⏱️ 83 minutes

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LayerZero’s Bryan Pellegrino joins to unpack Base's decision to leave the OP Stack, Zora's migration to Solana and more. Thank you to our sponsors! ⁠Fuse: The Energy Network – Shift your energy use and earn rewards. ⁠MultiChain Advisors -⁠ The Growth & Capital Markets Partner You Need Coinbase's Base is making a shock move away from Optimism's OP Stack. In this Uneasy Money episode, LayerZero Labs CEO Bryan Pellegrino joins hosts Kain Warwick and Taylor Monahan to unpack whether this is the right move for Base and what it could mean for Optimism. Beyond Base's big move, the trio also discuss Zora's Solana migration, whether Coinbase was wrong to initially pursue a super app strategy with Base App, Peter Steinberger joining OpenAI, the launch of Zero blockchain and OpenAI's EVMbench. Will OpenAI's acqui-hiring of Peter prove to be a “generational fumble” for Anthropic? And can crypto fix its brand problem? Also, learn why the rise of AI agents have Kain and Tay confident that open source will win in the end. Hosts: ⁠Kain Warwick⁠, Founder of Infinex and Synthetix ⁠Taylor Monahan⁠, Security Expert Guest: Bryan Pellegrino, CEO of LayerZero Labs Links: Unchained: Zora Shocks Base Community With Solana Pivot ⁠⁠BlackRock Just Chose Uniswap. The Market Didn’t Care. Here’s Why. ⁠⁠LayerZero Launches ‘Zero’ Layer 1 as Citadel, ARK Buy ZRO ⁠⁠How Zero Blockchain Cracked 2 Million TPS and Is Still Decentralized ⁠⁠Uneasy Money: Are Institutions Creating a New Crypto Meta? ⁠⁠Uneasy Money: How the Increasingly Better AI Agents Are Being Used OnchainVitalik Rethinks Ethereum’s L2 Playbook, Calls for Shift Toward Native Rollups Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:22.3	And we were like, you just rule the parties.
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0:27.1	Claim them.
0:33.2	Hey, everyone.
0:34.6	I'm Kane Warwick and welcome to uneasy money
0:36.5	because what happens on chain never stays on chain. I'm here with my co- to Uneasy Money because what happens on chain never
0:38.2	stays on chain. I'm here with my co-host Taylor Monaghan security expert and joining us today is a
0:43.6	very special guest, Brian Pellegrino, CEO of Layer Zero Labs. We're going to dive in in a minute,
0:49.4	but one quick thing before we start, nothing you hear on Uneasy Money is financial advice.
0:53.5	We're just
0:54.2	the rebuilders talking about what's happening on chain and in robots and AGI and all of that
0:59.9	cool stuff. And we want you to always do your own research before aping in. You can find all
1:03.9	of our disclosures at unchaincrypto.com slash uneasy money. Before we begin, here's the word from our
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