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Hey, welcome to In The Thick.

This is a podcast about politics, race and culture from a POC perspective.

I'm Maria Inu Hosa.

And I'm Julio Rico-Barela.

We've got a special guest today.

Joining us from San Diego is Abigail Leslie Andrews.

She's an assistant professor of sociology at the University of California, San Diego.

Hey Abigail, welcome to the show.

Hi, thank you so much for having me. And we wanted you to join us to talk about your new book, which is called Undocumented Politics,

Place Gender, and the Pathways of Mexican migrants.

So a lot of people think of undocumented people

and they don't think of them as being politically engaged, right?

In fact, they are very much so and so for 21 months from 2009 to 2012 you lived with

migrant communities in Wahaca in Mexico in Los Angeles and in San Diego.

And the focus was about their political engagement,

and actually what political engagement looks like

if you're politically excluded like an undocumented person.

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