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Undiscovered Presents: Spontaneous Generation

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Life Sciences, Natural Sciences, Wnyc, Friday, Science

4.4 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2019

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

These days, biologists believe all living things come from other living things. But for a long time, people believed that life would, from time to time, spontaneously pop into existence more often—and not just that one time at the base of the evolutionary tree. Even the likes of Aristotle believed in the “spontaneous generation” of life, until Louis Pasteur debunked the theory—or so the story goes.  In a famous set of experiments, Pasteur showed that when you take a broth, boil it to kill all the microscopic organisms floating inside, and don’t let any dust get in, it stays dead. No life will spontaneously emerge.  His experiments have been considered a win for science—but according to historian James Strick, they might have actually been a win for religion.  This episode originally aired on Science Friday, when Elah joined Ira Flatow and science historian, James Strick, to find out what scientists of Pasteur’s day really thought of his experiment, the role the Catholic church played in shutting down “spontaneous generation,” and why even Darwin did his best to dodge the topic.   FOOTNOTES Though Darwin was bold enough to go public with his theory of evolution, he seemed to shy away from the spontaneous generation debate. But his theory inevitably invited the question: if life could spontaneously arise once on Earth, why not many times? James Strick writes about Darwin’s complicated relationship with spontaneous generation. The basic premise of Louis Pasteur’s famous swan-necked flask experiment is shown below. The swan necks let life-nourishing air into the flask, but kept potentially contaminating dust out. Louis Pasteur's spontaneous generation experiment illustrates the fact that the spoilage of liquid was caused by particles in the air rather than the air itself. These experiments were important piece (Credit: Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons)     GUEST James Strick, associate professor at Franklin and Marshall College   CREDITS This episode of Undiscovered was produced by Elah Feder and Alexa Lim. Our theme music is by I Am Robot And Proud.

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0:00.0

So Annie, a few months ago, I think you were out that day.

0:03.5

Yeah.

0:03.9

I found a tiny little maggot here in the recording.

0:21.5

Gross. I didn't find it gross. I found it cute. I took a lot of pictures. I did wonder, though, how it got in here. We don't usually eat in here. We don't eat in here. I do have a little chocolate wrapper. Ignore that. But if you were to tell me that that maggot popped into existence inside the booth, just materialized, I would say that was ridiculous because we know that life does not

0:27.7

spontaneously appear willy-nilly. Except for a long time, we did believe that life could spontaneously arise.

0:35.5

We called it spontaneous generation. Spontaneous generation is your

0:40.2

textbook example of an idea that was wrong and that scientists with their brilliant experiments disproved.

0:48.3

At least that's how I thought this story went. Earlier this year, I went on Science Friday where

0:53.6

Ira Flato and I talked to a science

0:55.6

historian, and we learned that how we came to believe what we believe today about spontaneous

0:59.7

generation, it actually has as much to do with science as it does with religion. Here's that story.

1:06.5

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato, and for the rest of the hour, we're diving into the vaults

1:11.0

of science history because the hosts of our podcast Undiscovered are working on a new series. It's all

1:18.0

on one of my favorite subjects, all about science history. And co-host Ella Fedder is here to tell us

1:23.7

about it. Hey, Ella. Hey, Ira. Yeah, me and my co-host Annie Minoff are really big science history buffs like yourself.

1:31.1

And recently we got thinking about all of the scientific ideas that we used to think were true,

1:36.6

you know, that we'd had accepted as good, solid science until one day we didn't believe them anymore.

1:42.9

We're thinking about old miracle cures or outdated beliefs about the universe, you know, ideas that are often punchlines today.

1:49.9

But we wanted to give them a closer look.

1:52.0

You know, why did we believe in these ideas in the first place?

1:55.1

What had us convinced?

1:56.8

And then what did it take to change our minds?

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