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Undiscovered Presents: Like Jerry Springer For Bluebirds

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🗓️ 20 November 2019

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

“Do men need to cheat on their women?” a Playboy headline asked in the summer of 1978. Their not-so-surprising conclusion: Yes! Science says so! The idea that men are promiscuous by nature, while women are chaste and monogamous, is an old and tenacious one. As far back as Darwin, scientists were churning out theory and evidence that backed this up. In this episode, Annie and Elah go back to the 1970s and 1980s, when feminism and science come face to face, and it becomes clear that a lot of animals—humans and bluebirds included—are not playing by the rules.   GUESTS Angela Saini, author of Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong Patricia Adair Gowaty, professor emeritus at UCLA, editor of Feminism and Evolutionary Biology.   FOOTNOTES Sarah B. Hrdy is an anthropologist, feminist, and a major figure in this chapter of science history. In this book chapter she addresses the myth of the “coy female” and reviews the relevant scientific happenings of the 1970s and 80s, especially in the primatology sphere. Angus John Bateman’s 1948 paper about fruit fly mating and reproductive success, popularized by this paper from Robert Trivers in 1972. Bateman finds that males have more reproductive success the more females they mate with, and that females don’t benefit as much from mating with multiple males. Patty Adair Gowaty found holes in Bateman’s study. Bateman didn’t know exactly how many sexual partners his fruit flies had because he didn’t watch them. Instead, he counted up how many offspring they made. Unfortunately, a lot of them had harmful mutations and died—skewing his numbers. Not only do they not meet Mendelian expectations, but in Bateman’s data, he consistently counts more fathers than mothers—which can’t be right, since every baby fly has one mother and one father. Patty found that eastern bluebird females successfully raise offspring without help from their male partners. Patty and Alvan Karlin found that eastern bluebird babies aren’t always related to the parents raising them. True “genetic monogamy,” where bird couples only have sex with each other, appears to be the exception, not the rule in passerines. Polyandry—where females have sex with multiple males—has been found most of the species studied! In the late ‘70s and early ‘80s, a psychology study at Florida State University found that most men, and no women would accept a sex invitation from a stranger. In this more recent Germany study, 97% of the women expressed interest in sex with at least one strange man, but only when researchers promised to arrange a (relatively) safe encounter.  Btw, Patty tells us bluebirds don’t actually have sex in the nest, so having sex “outside the nest” is the norm. We were using the expression figuratively, but worth noting. The nest is really for storing the babies.   CREDITS This episode was reported and produced by Elah Feder and Annie Minoff. Our senior editor is Christopher Intagliata. Fact checking by Robin Palmer. I Am Robot and Proud wrote our theme. All other music by Daniel Peterschmidt.

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0:00.0

Hey, Ira here, letting you know that our beloved podcast, Undiscovered, is back for a couple of final

0:07.1

episodes. I'll let Annie and Ella take it away. Hey, everyone. Hey. So it's been a little while, and

0:14.6

you might not have expected to hear from us again. Some of you declared us dead prematurely. But

0:20.1

after two seasons, Undiscovered is

0:22.8

unfortunately saying goodbye. It has been an honor to play in your ears, to get your emails

0:29.0

and reviews and tweets and see you sticking your Undiscovered stickers on things. That was really

0:34.3

cool. Yeah, it's meant so much to us and we're going to really miss sharing these stories with you. But the good news is, before we go, we do have a few final episodes for you.

0:45.9

So undiscovered, it's always been about how science happens. And, you know, it's not a steady march toward truth and wisdom.

0:56.4

And it wouldn't be nearly as interesting if it was. And some of our very favorite stories that we have discovered in the process of making this show are about things that us humans, scientists included, got wrong and how we changed our minds.

1:08.5

And how we'll probably change them again.

1:10.5

Inevitably.

1:11.5

So this is undiscovered.

1:13.8

We Were Wrong Edition.

1:15.3

First up, we have a story about sex.

1:18.9

I want you to imagine it's 1978, Florida State University.

1:24.8

There's a young woman.

1:26.5

She's standing in one of the quads on campus. It's a

1:29.2

weekday. I know that it was not raining. That is all I know about that day. And this woman,

1:35.1

she's scanning the area for men that she finds attractive. This is what we female college students

1:42.1

do. So he has to be not only attractive, but attractive enough that she would consider sleeping with him.

1:49.1

According to whose rule?

1:50.8

I'm going to get to that.

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