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Thanks. It's Monday, October 16, 2023, and welcome back to Goodfellows, a Hoover Institution

broadcast examining social, economic, political, and geopolitical concerns.

I'm Bill Whelan.

I'm a Hoover Distinguished Policy Fellow. Be your moderator today.

We are doing the show live from the Hoover Institution,

and sitting next to me is the renowned historian Neil Ferguson.

Sitting two spots down from him is the renowned economist,

John Cochran, who didn't get the sport coat memo,

but this is a California look for you, folks.

And we are not joined today by Lieutenant General

H.R. McM macmaster normally our third

good fellow but instead in his place you have asked for him you have demanded him you've pleaded

for him you've yelled and you've warned us down by god here he is joining the joining good fellows

a repeat visitor i might add the distinguished historian hoover institution senior fellow stephen

steven cockin Steve, welcome back.

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