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but we wanted to let you know that Goodfellows is primarily a video production, and you're missing a lot of

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forward slash Goodfellows to see what you're missing. Thanks. The Welfare State supporters

are fighting against charter schools. The N state supporters are fighting against charter schools.

The NAACP is fighting against charter schools.

The teachers unions give a lot of money to politicians.

They give money to the NACP.

Moreover, if you have people coming in with charter schools, then you don't have the local

political ward healers, as it were, controlling all these resources that they can use to reward

their friends and punish their enemies. And so therefore, they want to control of the schools

because the schools are a source of jobs.

Whether or not the kids learn anything is not their concern.

It's Tuesday, October 24th, 2023, and welcome back to Goodfellows, a Hoover Institution broadcast examining social, economic, political, and geopolitical concerns. I'm Bill Whalen. I'm a

Hoover Distinguished Policy Fellow. I'll be your moderator today, joined by two of our three good

fellows. Lieutenant General Atomic Master cannot make the show today, but we'll soldier on without him.

I'm glad to report that we are joined by the historian Neil Ferguson and the economist John

Cochran. They are both Hoover Institution

senior fellows. Guys, good to see you. We're going to do two segments today. One is going to be

on the Middle East and the economy. Since it's October, I thought John and Neil we might also talk

a bit about markets. Give John a reprise and we're doing world politics. We'll go into John's sweet spot

of economics. But first we're going to talk about education.

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