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It's known by most people as Roussey and it's the oldest defense and security think tank in the world. I think one of the oldest think tanks in the world it was founded in 1831 by the Duke of Wellington

and historically it's predominantly been associated with military

history, the military sciences until the last few decades when it's moved into kind of broader security areas much like you know

global security has changed in the last several decades. Our guest today are Jamie McCall, a research fellow in cyber security and Dr. Pia Hoosch, a research analyst.

They're both from the Royal United Services Institute,

commonly known as Rusey.

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