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I learned about status in a completely different way than I understood status to be.

And I'm really excited for you to listen to this episode because status is so related to the parent-child relationship, to navigating the social world of adolescents, to understanding our social worlds.

It impacts relationships, professions. It's really a big deal. And so teaching our kids how to build

status and relationships without chasing external validation and helping our girls in particular

understand why status is harder for daughters than for sons. and just so many interesting conversations in this one

discussion with Allison Fergal. She's a business school professor and research psychologist,

and I loved, loved this conversation about status. She wrote a book called Likeable Badass,

and she has studied power status and negotiation

for over 20 years. I'm Dr. Lisa Pressman, and this is Raising Good Humans podcast. But what I wanted

to tell you, which is so bizarre, or such a small world, is that I was just working in Northern California.

So I stayed with my college roommate.

And I was sitting there talking with her and with her husband.

And I'm like, whatever I was saying, they said, you have to, you should interview our friend,

I'll sit for camp.

And I'm like, what? I am on Monday.

Hi. Wait, did you, did you live in nine prospects senior year? Yes. I lived there a year after you.

The one that was the garage with the garage room. Yeah, but I was like, I thought it was so fancy. Did you still have a pink shower?

Yeah. Oh yeah, totally. It was only one year after you. It totally did. Nothing had changed. Oh my God. I can't believe we're figuring this out, right? I know. This is crazy. Oh, my God. This totally makes my day. It's so fun. Okay. So let's start and your target audience maybe wasn't intentionally mothers.

So tell me the yes part. So a couple things. One is I'm a mom of three kids and it's a huge part of my identity. And I do think that the women that I often speak to, whether I'm teaching at business school or writing,

are women who work for pay, but many of them are also parents who are also trying to navigate

everything. And the concept that we'll probably dig into of status is a human concept. It's not a

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