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The Documentary Podcast

Understanding South Africa’s continuing quest for equality

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2022

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Claire Graham talks to the former BBC News Africa bureaux chief, Milton Nkosi, to get a better understanding of why the post-apartheid dream of a "Rainbow Nation" has still not materialised.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the explanation from the BBC World Service.

0:06.6

This is where we press polls on the busy 24-hour news cycle

0:11.0

and dig a bit deeper behind the headlines.

0:14.0

Today the West Bank's nightmares started coming true.

0:18.0

Protesters are trying to bricks in there, using bamboo poles to smash vehicles.

0:23.0

It's a city where mothers carry guns along with their groceries.

0:27.0

The spaces that people can run to for safety are shrinking every day here.

0:34.0

I'm Claire Graham and with the help of my colleagues around the world

0:38.0

I'll be trying to get a better understanding of the stories that matter to all of us.

0:43.0

Today, South Africa after apartheid has the dream of an integrated rainbow nation become a reality.

0:53.0

Prime Minister, what is the government trying to do with its policy of apartheid?

0:58.0

A apartheid or separation to use the English equivalent between black and white

1:03.0

has been the traditional policy of both the English and African-speaking people in South Africa for centuries.

1:09.0

Its object is to regulate life between black and white, to eliminate friction between the two groups

1:14.0

and to ensure the safety of the white polarity.

1:18.0

I'm joined today by the former head of the BBC South Africa Bureau Milton Encosi.

1:23.0

Milton Encosi grew up in the timeship of Soweto and experienced first hand the realities of the apartheid regime.

1:30.0

Milton, can we start by explaining exactly when apartheid became law in South Africa?

1:36.0

It officially came in 1948 when a political party known as the National Party, the NP, won an election

1:47.0

where they legislated racial segregation laws.

1:51.0

Prior to that colonialism for hundreds of years leading up to 1948 was still in place.

1:58.0

It was not really the beginning of racial discrimination in 1948.

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