Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread.

Today, I'm talking to one of my favorite repeat guests, Thomas Huber.

And in this episode, we're going to explore how we perceive evil and what we might make of the evil energy in our own lives.

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On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here.

My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness

so that we might all collectively learn and grow.

Here is today's guest, Thomas Huber, on our relationship to evil.

So we're continuously pushing the effects in front of us into the future, and we are running into that future every day.

I think that's very important to understand. We have been born into massive patches of darkness,

of night, of not seeing, not feeling, being numb. And so we are operating and we are trying to ask ourselves,

what's evil within that context?

I believe this is the fifth time I've had Thomas Hebel on pulling the thread.

He remains one of my favorite healers and teachers to talk to.

And today we finally got to the topic I've been wanting to ask

Thomas about for a long, long time, which is evil. How do we define and perceive what's evil?

What role might evil energy play in our own lives? How do we find our way in darkness? What

transgressions might we take responsibility for and how?

What moral conflict is part of our work and what does not belong to us?

What's the purpose of it all?

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