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So the dog is still on holiday, so in place of office hours, we are bringing you our conversation with Bill Keller.

The former New York Times executive editor, the founding editor of the Marshall project and author of the book,

What's Prison 4? Punishment and rehabilitation in the age of mass incarceration.

We discuss with Bill Prisman reform the role race plays an incarceration and what surprised him most about the prison system while researching his book.

We'll be back with our regular schedule programming next week, so please send in your questions about business,

big tech investing career pivots or whatever else is on your mind.

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Okay, here's our conversation with Bill Keller.

Bill, what is his podcast? Find you.

Find to be at home in Southampton, New York.

Good for you. So let's post right into it.

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