Everybody wants to know God, they're created to know God. The reason they don't

know God is they have a wrong picture of Him. You see if I had a wrong

picture of God I wouldn't want to know him either.

And so what I've been trying to do for the last 25 years is help people get a right picture.

Welcome to the Jesus College. is how people get a right picture.

Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast.

Today, we talk with two men who show us that God is always with us

and shows up in our lives, sometimes in ways we'd never expect. Leadership Coach. us and

show shows up in our lives, leadership coach John Maxwell,

and pastor and author Nate Pyle.

First up, for more than 50 years,

John Maxwell has honed his leadership skills, first as a pastor, then as a mentor

and speaker to business leaders around the globe. Today, he tells us about his unlikely shift

from pastor to business coach, how he's learned far more from

his failures than from his success, and why the Jesus Calling app is one of his go-to resources.

Hi, my name is John Maxwell and for 25 years I was a pastor and loved it and kind of thought I would do that

and be that all my life.

I was writing books while I was pasturing.

And my publisher one day came to me and said,

you realize two-thirds of your books are being read by the business community. And I was totally shocked by that.

I was really kind of writing for pastors to help them learn how to lead better and

kind of that was kind of my audience or at least I thought it was

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