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The All right, Joe Lonsdale, thanks so much for doing this.

Thanks for having me.

I'm excited to be here at our university.

Okay, so we were actually, we were just chatting about chess

before we started.

And you share something in common with one of my favorite people

and one of my mentors, Tyler Cowan,

which is that you were extremely good at chess as a child

and obsessed with it.

And as an adult, you've gone on to do other things.

You know, Cowan, he, I think he was state chess championship of my home state, New Jersey at 15,

and then one day he just realized, actually, I don't want to do this for a living.

My chess master, as I was a kid, used to tell me that most great men were chess players, but a few chess players are ever great men.

So, you know, probably don't want to do it like your whole life.

But, but I think it's really good for your mind.

Why?

There's a lot of things.

It's like this intellectual discipline.

It's like trading your brain to like to think ahead and stop every time you do something and then think

about all the next steps and how they might interact and then there's probably like trades you to have

a stronger memory because to really do it right you have to memorize a lot of old games and then

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