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Undercounted: Why suicide is a leading cause of death in U.S. jails

Here & Now Anytime

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🗓️ 2 October 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Mario Mason died by suicide in the Oklahoma County jail soon after he was convicted of murder in a dispute over a stolen car. His death wasn’t an outlier — data from the Marshall Project found that suicide is a leading cause of death in U.S. jails. Here & Now’s Peter O’Dowd reports from Oklahoma City.

And, some U.S. jails are taking measures to reduce suicide risk factors. O’Dowd talks with Jason Knutti, a formerly incarcerated man who experienced thoughts of suicide in jail, and Brown University's Lauren Weinstock, who studies suicide risk for people who have been incarcerated.

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WBUR Podcasts, Boston.

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It's okay to say, hey, I need some help, man.

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I can't do this by myself.

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If you entertain the thought of end in your life, please don't do that.

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You're worse more than that.

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Suicide is a leading cause of death in American jails.

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Families shattered by loss, blame a broken system.

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This is here and now anytime from NPR and WBUR Boston.

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I'm Chris Bentley.

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We're continuing our series, Undercounted, the Hidden Deaths in America's Jails.

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This is the second of three episodes looking at why so many people die behind bars and what

1:13.6

might be done to save their lives. You do not need to have heard the first episode to understand

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today's, but you really should check out the whole series by following this podcast. I'm here with

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Peter O'Dowd, who has been traveling the country to better understand the hidden

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deaths in America's jails. And Peter, so today, you dig into one of the leading causes of

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death in American jails, suicide. And I think it can't really be overstated that many of the

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people that we're talking about in this series are awaiting trial or they haven't been convicted of anything. And yet they're locked up for a long

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time, months in some cases before they might have their day in court. And when you spend that

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long in custody, I think the conditions of jails matter a lot. This isn't just a matter of a few

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