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business no matter what stage you're in. Under the scale, scales. All right, welcome to Under the Scales. This actually turned out to be a reunion episode, and I'm really, really happy to have two fills here.

Both of them, of course, course Phillips but they go by Phil. One of them goes by big fill and the other

just by default we call him medium fill. How are you for obvious reasons?

But so Big Phil Mueller is a Pennsylvania kind of Philly kind of guy? Absolutely.

And welcome man, how are you?

I'm doing very well, you over here in Jersey and

Tom's boyhood home you can smell the teenage angst still

permeating the room

Maybe we shouldn't have you sitting on that couch. I don't know what's going on on this couch, but it...

Lots of angst.

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