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business no matter what stage you're in. Under the scale, under the scale, under the York City with the rest of the Fish Nation.

I've made it through nine shows now of the 13 and I'm having an unbelievably good time

and I'm here with my guest today is Ellie Tishburg. Hi Ellie how are you?

I'm good how you doing doing, Tom? Doing fantastic.

And as is sort of the case with, under the scales,

Ellie's a guy that you know, but you don't know that you know him.

And that's the whole point of my podcast but uh... before

i go deeper into that deeper under the scales there

uh... first want to say thank you to a new friend of mine uh... Tony Malawi, who's a VP at I Heart Radio, in whose

studios, beautiful pro studios we're sitting right now. And this is really pro-E, I'm not always like this.

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