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True Murder, with your host, journalist and author, Dan Zufantke.

Good evening.

Under a cold moon is the extraordinary true story of a man that devastated two worlds, a killer

that used the chump card as his cover for two brutal murders.

His first victim lay under the rocks for fifteen nights, his second lay under the dirt for 61.

Two women, two murders, one spurned slayer, in his cool tale the author exposes the dark

secrets of a man that stalked older women.

Lay them weaves this story from an insider's window, a writer that was in the thick of

things and interviewed the man behind these two cataclysmic homicides.

In book to be featuring this evening is under a cold moon, a chronicle of an unrequited

killer with my special guest, Tony H. Lay them.

Welcome to the program and thank you very much for this interview, Tony H. Lay them.

Dan, I'm quite pleased to be here.

This is an honor, a great crime podcast.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for that.

Congratulations on this incredible book.

Let's start off first with as you do right to the incredible event that happens November

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