Let's go.

Well, Justice, I usually, when I'm feeling excited about a podcast, I'm like, hey man, I'm so excited to talk to you.

Yeah.

I'm not excited about this podcast.

I don't really know how to have this conversation.

I don't really feel like I'm allowed to have this conversation, but you've given me permission to have this conversation. I don't really feel like I'm allowed to have this conversation,

but you've given me permission to have this conversation. Yes. So the easiest way for me to start

is just ask why you've felt called to talk about race. Yes. First, I think one of the reasons

I started it was because of what you just shared is like,

I don't feel like I'm allowed to have this conversation.

You feel like you're not allowed?

No, is that I feel like that's part of why I did is because a lot of my white friends don't feel like they have permission to have, like to say what they actually think and what

they actually feel.

And I kind of, that to me bothers me because I feel like this has happened for

another race and for it to happen to any other race is just not right what has happened to

in the African American community there there is a sense sometimes that they can't say certain

things in the past and so so, and I've been

aware of that. I grew up in the South and I saw that, even if it was true or not, there was a

feeling of I can't say what I think or I can't speak this here. And then for me to then see it

with my white friends, I'm like, okay, something's, something's off. And so I don't actually,

this might be a surprise to you, but I don't like talking about race. Like it isn't.

That is a surprise to me. Yes, I don't. And it surprised me because you are, you have been,

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