UNCHAINED: Why the SEC May Want Cash Creation of Spot Bitcoin ETFs
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🗓️ 15 December 2023
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
Bloomberg analyst James Seyffart explains why it seems the SEC prefers cash vs. in-kind creation of spot bitcoin ETFs, and why this choice would negatively impact Grayscale.
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The long-awaited approval of a spot bitcoin ETF looks to be mere weeks away, and Bloomberg ETF analyst James Seyffart joins Unchained to discuss the final issues and considerations, especially the battle over whether the new funds will feature in-kind vs. cash creation and redemptions, which appears to be one of the last main sticking points in negotiations between the SEC and fund companies. He also discusses the specific impact of an ETF approval on Grayscale, which runs the $26.6 billion Grayscale Bitcoin Trust, and why he thinks the SEC has thrown in the towel on trying to classify Ethereum as a security.
Show highlights: |
- Why James views the multitude of potential issuers meeting with the SEC as a positive sign for the future of ETFs
- When James anticipates the ETFs will actually be listed on exchanges, which differs from their approval dates
- The crucial differences between in-kind versus cash creation and redemptions in ETFs and their impact on market dynamics
- How the choice of in-kind or cash creation and redemptions influences the overall cost structure of these financial products
- Whether the current actions of ETF issuers suggest a "bending the knee" approach to the SEC's preference for cash creations and redemptions
- How the selected ETF model will specifically impact Grayscale and the future of its GBTC offering
- The potential strategies behind BlackRock's private trust, especially in terms of integrating its Bitcoin holdings into its prospective ETF
- Why James holds a more cautious outlook for the approval of an Ethereum spot ETF compared to his confidence in Bitcoin ETFs
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Guest |
James Seyffart, Research analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Why It Looks Like BlackRock Could Win America’s First Spot Bitcoin ETF
Why a Spot Bitcoin ETF Will Probably Launch No Later Than January 10
Links |
Previous coverage on spot Bitcoin ETFs:
How Much Money Will Flow Into Bitcoin ETFs? Here’s One Projection
Why a Spot Bitcoin ETF Will Probably Launch No Later Than January 10
Why It Looks Like BlackRock Could Win America’s First Spot Bitcoin ETF
The Chopping Block: Are We Back? The ‘Low IQ’ Response to the Potential Spot Bitcoin ETF
Unchained:
Bitcoin ETFs Explained: What Are They & How Do They Work?
BlackRock Updates Bitcoin ETF Filing to Make Access Easier for Wall Street Banks
Understanding the ETF creation and redemption mechanism
Nate Geraci’s tweet on in-kind/cash
James comments “the people want in-kind”
James: “I think everyone is gonna have to bend the knee to cash creates and redeems.”
Eric Balchunas suggests the SEC is only letting cash-create ETFs launch initially
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| 1:06.5 | A lot of issues don't want to do this. Most of them, they deal specifically with in-kind because |
| 1:10.6 | they don't really want to have to be going into markets and buying and selling this stuff and |
| 1:14.8 | what have you, right? So it's going to be more onus on the issuer to operate these. So there might |
| 1:19.6 | be some issuers out there that I hint, as I hint at the beginning, they're kind, but if we have to hire people to make sure that we're trading and buying and selling the Bitcoin directly, we might not want to do that. |
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