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Good afternoon. Welcome along. I'm Justin Briley with you for the next hour and a half or so here at Premier and I'm delighted to have your company for unbelievable. It's the show where Christians and non-Christians get together to talk about all kinds of things.

My thanks to Megan for Premier's I choose and you can keep listening this afternoon and hear

Dave and B with Hip Rock UK and then the Reta Fenton presents from six o'clock

that's all to come this Saturday afternoon right now it's time to do what we do at

this time every week. As Christians and non-Christians get together to talk today, we're going to be hearing from Dr.

Tom Woodward of the CS Lewis Society.

He's the author of Doubts about Darwin and Darwin strikes back and as you might be able to tell from those titles.

He's an intelligent design theorist. He believes that evolution does not hold the key to understanding how the world came into being and human beings certainly

Did not evolve in the way that is suggested he says things are simply too complicated for that to be the case.

Well, in favour of, if you like, the atheistic view of evolution,

Pete Hardy is on the program today from the National Secular Society.

Other contributors also joining us for this, Darwin versus Design.

That's the subject of our program here on Unbelievable.

And it's just so... available.

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