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Good afternoon. Welcome along to the program. I'm Justin Baley with you for the next hour and a half for unbelievable and if this is your first time tuning into the program it may be because you're listening via our National D. A.B. Service, welcome along. This is the show that gets Christians and

non-Christians talking. And we're certainly going to be doing that during the course of the day.

So I do hope you can stay with me through till 4 o'clock this afternoon or you may be listening online via

Premier.org. UK forward slash unbelievable via the podcast and that sort of thing

you're welcome along as well let me tell you what's coming up today. We have a young

apologist joining us. His name is Andrew Wilson. He's the author of God's

stories. That's the name of his latest book. It's the story of why the Bible as a whole is a

unity and tells the story of God's character wanting to redeem his people. Well

that's certainly not a view of the Bible shared by our atheist guest today.

He is Norman Bachrach, he's the editor of the ethical record, and he's going to be telling us why he believes

the Bible doesn't paint a nice picture of God. We'll be hearing their discussion

throughout the program today here on unbelievable.

Well it's my great pleasure to introduce our two guests on the program today.

They are Andrew Wilson and Norman Backcrack, and we're going to find out why they're here,

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