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good afternoon I hope this Saturday is treating you well and you can stay with me for unbelievable this afternoon.

Thanks of course to David Aldous for Passages of Life and The Worship Power.

A great show as always. Let me say that there will be changes to the Saturday

afternoons coming in the next few weeks. I'll tell you more about that next

week. Nothing to worry about in the immediate future but from about mid-February there were going to be

some timing changes we'll be coming to you at a slightly later time on a Saturday but

right now for the next couple of weeks at least two till 330 is still the time to listen to unbelievable as Christians and non-christians get together to talk.

That's the name of the program, Unbelievable because sometimes I guess do find each other's opinions and views unbelievable.

I'm sure we're going to have a lovely chat though as we always do on the program today.

Joining me are two people. Gavin McGrath is a Christian and a associate or no the pastor in fact at Christchurch

Earlsfield. We're also going to be hearing from Marilyn Mason who is a

humanist, she's an atheist, and we're going to be talking about morality. Do we need

God to be good? Can we make sense of morality of right and wrong without an ultimate law giver, without someone

for ultimately whom everyone is answerable for their actions?

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