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Woman's Hour

Ukrainian Drone Pilot, Young women NEETs, Kimberlé Crenshaw

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture

4.13K Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

The role of women is growing in Ukraine’s war effort, from military recruitment to frontline drone warfare. Anita Rani talks to 'Morva,' a female combat drone pilot who, aged 25, is fighting Russian forces on the front line and Olesia Horiainova, Deputy Director of the Ukrainian Security and Cooperation Centre - a think tank that works in military recruitment - about how women, and not just Ukrainian women, are getting involved in the fight to defend the country.

Alan Milburn, the former Labour health secretary says there's a risk of a "lost generation" in the UK, unless urgent action is taken to ensure more young people are either earning or learning. He's the author of a government-commissioned interim report titled Young People and Work that's released today. To look at what this means for women Anita talks to Kate Nightingale, the campaigns director at Young Women's Trust which champions for young women on low or no pay.

When the American Professor of Law, Kimberlé Crenshaw was five years old, at the time of the civil rights era in Ohio, USA, she was allowed to portray a witch but not a princess in a nursery play. Puzzled by her teacher’s behaviour, Kimberlé spoke up and never stopped, firmly establishing herself as a Backtalker, the name of her new memoir. Kimberlé joins Anita to talk about becoming a pioneering scholar and writer on civil rights and her instinct to question power and challenge what others accept as fair.

A new retrospective of the late Indian artist Mrinalini Mukherjee, a modernist sculptor, has opened at The Hepworth Wakefield in Yorkshire. Called Mrinalini Mukherjee: Unbound Forms - Women Sculptors of India and Bangladesh, it presents her art alongside that by other sculptors from India and Bangladesh, including her own mother, and explores the impact of South Asian women. Anita talks to the exhibition's curator Tarini Malik and the artist and close friend of Mrinalini’s, Bharti Kher. 

Presenter: Anita Rani Producer: Rebecca Myatt

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0:00.0

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0:09.6

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0:12.1

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Little did I know what more was to come.

0:19.5

I'm Jenny Clemen, and in the new series of The Gift, we'll hear more stories emerging

0:25.2

out of the ever-expanding global DNA database.

0:28.8

They did know that I was different.

0:31.7

You had kids together.

0:33.0

Yeah.

0:33.5

Then you met.

0:34.3

Then we met.

0:35.2

The Gift.

0:36.1

Listen on BBC sounds.

0:39.4

Hello, I'm Anita Rani and welcome to Woman's Hour from BBC Radio 4.

0:44.6

Good morning and welcome to the programme.

0:47.1

Now, she's the American legal scholar who coined the terms intersectionality and critical race theory.

0:53.8

Now, Kimberly Crenshaw has written a memoir.

0:56.2

It's called Backtalker.

0:57.5

She's going to be here to explain it all.

1:00.0

More women are fighting on the front line in Ukraine because of drone warfare.

1:04.8

You'll be hearing from one of those drone operators.

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