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Pod Save the World

Ukraine's Surprise Attack on Russia

Pod Save the World

Crooked Media

Politics, News

4.824.7K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

Ben and guest co-host Ali Velshi kick off the show with a conversation about how Trump’s policies are accelerating US brain drain, Tulsi Gabbard’s Fox News-style overhaul of the Presidential Daily Brief, and the eyebrow-raising new press secretary at the Pentagon. They also talk about Ukraine’s massive surprise drone strike on Russia and the stalemate between Putin and Zelensky. Additionally, they cover the horrific attack on Jewish demonstrators in Colorado, Israel and America’s disastrous aid distribution operation in Gaza, the expansion of settlements in the West Bank, and the future of the two-state solution. Also discussed: China’s advantages in the trade war, how trade wars can become real wars, and far-right politics in Poland, Portugal, and the Netherlands. Finally, Ali takes a step back to talk about being a journalist covering Trump 2.0. Ali’s show Velshi airs weekends on MSNBC, and his book is Small Acts of Courage: A Legacy of Endurance and the Fight for Democracy.

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Ones and Twos.

0:59.7

It's been 80 years since the Nazi surrender in Europe.

1:03.3

And my co-host, Adam Twos, and I are marking the occasion with a three-part mini-series

1:08.4

on World War II.

1:09.6

We'll discuss the colossal scale of the war as an

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economic event. I think this is a moment when really talking about quantity and skies and scale

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is important because it was just very, very big. Who the economic winners and losers were.

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And so on the one hand, Labor wins, but it wins within a game which is no longer going to allow

1:26.5

radical options.

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And how the war changed economies around the world.

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