Summary
A quarter of a million people now participate in regular cyber attacks against Russia. We hear from one of the volunteers, Oleksandr Naumenko. And also from US-Russian cybersecurity expert Dmitri Alperovitch.
BBC Ukrainian service reporter Olga Malchevska recalls a recent visit to her home town of Kyiv and the trauma of seeing in person her bombed childhood apartment.
As Western leaders gather in Madrid for a NATO summit, Sam de Bendern, former NATO Ukraine officer, tells us why they will eventually have to stop sitting on the fence when it comes to the war in Ukraine.
And we get an update from Pavel Shulga, who travelled to the region of Lysychansk to deliver humanitarian aid and evacuate women and children from battle zones. We hear why he’s already back on the road.
Today’s podcast was produced by Estelle Doyle with Ivana Davidovic, Osman Iqbal and Louise Hidalgo. The technical producer was Cassie Galpin. The editor is Jonathan Aspinwall. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp to +44 0330 1239480.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. |
| 0:04.8 | Hello, it's 126 days since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:09.8 | Our listeners will remember that last week we spoke to Pavel Oshulihar, |
| 0:14.2 | who was about to travel to the city of Lisechansk in East Ukraine. |
| 0:19.3 | That's right next to the frontline. |
| 0:21.7 | So Pavel Oshulihar went there to deliver aid and evacuate women and children from the battle zones. |
| 0:30.3 | A very dangerous mission. |
| 0:32.5 | He has stayed in touch with us and shared some videos. |
| 0:36.3 | In one of them, he shows us a city completely destroyed by shelling. |
| 0:47.0 | Chemnistak here and there, and otherwise heaps of rubble. |
| 0:51.8 | In another video, he says that he's very glad and lucky |
| 0:59.0 | to have made it through and he says he will be able to deliver rations to one and a half thousand people. |
| 1:07.2 | In the third video, it seems to have been felt in a very dangerous location, |
| 1:13.6 | at a very dangerous time, Pavel Oshulihar points to smoke rising from the horizon |
| 1:19.5 | and says that there's heavy bombardment going on and you can feel the tension. |
| 1:27.4 | Altogether, on this trip, Pavel Oshulihar managed to evacuate 21 people. |
| 1:32.3 | We're hoping to catch up with him when he got back, |
| 1:34.8 | but instead we've been told that his packed-up supplies and headed straight back to Lisechansk |
| 1:40.9 | near the frontline. |
| 1:42.6 | Daniel Turkaski, who's charity in the air, called Ukraine Trust Chain, |
| 1:48.2 | has been funding Pavel Oshulihar's team work and he sent us this update explaining why |
| 1:54.6 | Pavel Oshulihar's already back on the road. |
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