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The Owen Jones Podcast

Ukraine's Defeat And The FALL OF THE WEST

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

News, Politics, News & Politics, Government

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 February 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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0:00.0

What's just happened with regards Ukraine, Russia, the US and Europe is absolutely seismic.

0:06.1

It's seismic in terms of what it means for Western power and the global order.

0:11.1

What I'm going to try and do here is look at the criminal responsibility of Putinism

0:14.8

and also how the West, high on its own triumphalism after the end of the Cold War also helped pave the way for catastrophe.

0:24.5

Now, it's been well over a thousand days since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. We've no idea how many

0:28.9

people have been slaughtered, but it's easily in the many hundreds of thousands. Overwhelmingly,

0:34.1

those are countless Ukrainian and Russian young men who have been thrown into a meat grinder.

0:40.5

Donald Trump has announced that there will be a negotiated peace settlement, but with that settlement

0:44.2

already baking in drastic concessions to Russia before negotiations began, such as significant squays

0:50.0

of Ukraine's own territory being handed over to its enemy. Now, we should be clear, that's a

0:54.4

straightforward Russian victory, with Ukraine now brutally defeated and facing being de facto

0:59.8

dismembered and exploited by two foreign powers. So come on to that. Now, you've got to see this in the

1:05.0

context of what is the biggest single story of the 21st century, which is the fall of Western

1:09.9

power. I should declare an interest. I'm currently writing a book entitled The Fall of the 21st century, which is the fall of Western power. I should declare an interest.

1:11.8

I'm currently writing a book entitled The Fall of the West, and the central thesis gathers

1:16.2

more and more evidence each day. I'll be talking more about that. So to be clear,

1:19.7

Trump declared he'd spoken to Russia's ruling autocrat Vladimir Putin to begin immediately

1:24.1

negotiating and enter the war. Let's talk about the terms of this deal.

1:29.1

Let's hear this from the U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegzeth.

1:33.3

We want, like you, a sovereign and prosperous Ukraine. But we must start by recognizing that

1:42.3

returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.

1:49.0

The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.

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