Ukraine peace talks – What happens if Trump walks away? – with Luke Harding

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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🗓️ 24 April 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Donald Trump famously said he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours. But now, he’s suggested the US might “pass” on peace negotiations – unless rapid progress is made. So, what does that mean for Ukraine, three years into Russia’s full-scale invasion? After a week of statement and counter-statement in which Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported continued Russian attacks on Ukraine despite Vladimir Putin’s unilateral declaration of a temporary Easter ‘truce’ - Gavin Esler is joined for the latest from Kyiv by The Guardian journalist Luke Harding. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni, the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to Incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Advertising helps fund our podcasts, but we know some people would prefer the shows without adverts.
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0:16.2	Follow the link in the show notes to find out more.
0:25.5	Is peace, looking far from likely right now, even possible in Ukraine anytime soon? And if possible, what kind of peace could Ukraine and the rest of
0:33.0	Europe hope for, guaranteed by whose forces with what kind of Trump administration American input,
0:39.3	if any?
0:40.3	Less optimistically, would we recognize that these questions are simply naive?
0:46.3	As we'll now hear directly from Kiev, does the world have to understand that Vladimir
0:51.3	Putin's ambitions and aggression won't stop.
0:55.1	Does Donald Trump's appeasement of the Kremlin?
0:58.2	There's no kind of word.
0:59.3	Yes, his appeasement to Putin.
1:01.2	Does it rule out the United States acting as an honest broker in any peace process?
1:07.0	I'm Gavin Esler, and this is not a drill. Donald Trump's famous campaign boast was that he could end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.
1:38.0	Yet the evidence appears to be that the Trump administration's idea of peace is so favorable to
1:42.8	Vladimir Putin that to many Ukrainians and others,
1:46.2	the United States is not merely a dishonest broker, but perhaps appears even an ally of Moscow.
1:52.7	For the latest from Ukraine's capital, Kiev, I'm joined by the Guardian journalist Luke Harding,
1:57.6	just before Luke was heading off to the front lines.
2:08.8	Luke, maybe you could tell us a bit about where you are and how your day is looking in Ukraine.
2:15.6	Hi, Gavin. Well, I'm in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, and I'm on my way to the Harkiv region.
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