Ukraine: How Will The War End?
The Owen Jones Podcast
Owen Jones
4.4 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 21 August 2022
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
With the war in Ukraine at an apparent stalemate, what happens next? Is the Russian army now so overstretched and demoralised that Ukraine can mount a successful counter-offensive - or does the coming of winter and the growing energy crisis mean that a Russian breakthrough is only a matter of time? And through the fog of war - are there actually tentative signs of hope that are being ignored?
We are joined by Paul Rogers - Emeritus Professor of Peace Studies and one of the world's leading experts on conflict - to tell us exactly what is going on.
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| 0:27.4 | Hello, welcome to the show. |
| 0:28.6 | Now the war in Ukraine obviously has been taking place for many, many months now. |
| 0:33.1 | And in the initial phases of the war, that was basically all... |
| 0:36.6 | Well, the media was talking about it. |
| 0:38.4 | It dominated the new cycles for fairly obvious reasons. |
| 0:42.4 | The biggest war in Europe since World War II. |
| 0:44.7 | A massive land invasion by Russia of Ukraine. |
| 0:48.9 | And it should be said, an illegal and criminal and brutal occupation, |
| 0:54.5 | which then followed. |
| 0:56.3 | Now, we haven't spoken about it ourselves. |
| 0:59.6 | We haven't done anything on the show for quite a while. |
| 1:03.3 | And I think part of the reason for that is it is a grinding sell. |
| 1:06.6 | It does appear to be a grinding sell. |
| 1:08.0 | Of course, we will talk about that with someone who actually knows what they're talking about. |
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