We are speaking with scientists and academic Dr. Hugo Bardi. His books include the limits to growth,

revisited, extracted, how the quest for mineral wealth is plundering the planet, and most recently

the Seneca effect, why growth is slow but collapses

rapid you can find his writings as well at cassandra legacy that blogspot.com he's also on

twitter we will be discussing a recent article he wrote analyzing historian rj rammel's work on

democide and mass extermination pulled from from the book, Death by Government.

Thank you for being with us, Dr. Barty, and welcome.

Okay, thank you. It's a pleasure.

Now, you warn that mankind is overdue for a new statistical and perhaps historical cycle of

democide, which can also be called death by government,

mass extermination, catalyzed by small events or wars that spiral out of control in parts over

dwindling resources. I wish it weren't so, but based on the data, I too have long expected

a reoccurrence of such human behavior

at some point in the future.

Rommel details the intentional extermination of 260 million people by government and half a billion

during the 20th century.

You cite Stephen Pinker's rosy view on the long piece, and I would personally tend to side more with

Nassim Telib's idea that the long piece is an aberration or anomaly. Could you tell us what brought

you to this point in writing this article in your research and why you think the cases

made statistically for another round of

demo side?

Yeah, you know, you always write the article that you would like to read.

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