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The Michael Shermer Show

UFOs: What We Know (And Don’t Know)

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 15 June 2024

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Robert Powell, a founding Board member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, has studied the UFO subject for 17 years. His work is encapsulated in UFOs: A Scientist Explains What We Know (And Don’t Know)which provides a scientific rationale for the reality of non-terrestrial craft that are intelligently controlled.

Powell begins his book by familiarizing the reader with the history of UFOs and he identifies the more enigmatic and interesting UFO sightings. He examines the characteristics of these sightings that argue against a prosaic explanation: extreme acceleration, electromagnetic interference, bending light, no obvious propulsion mechanisms, and a lack of interaction with the atmosphere. Powell discusses the recent events that have caused our government to change the term from UFO to UAP. Included is information never before released indicating the government possesses not just two videos but five videos from 2015 of UFOs operating in the vicinity of the USS Roosevelt nuclear aircraft carrier.

Powell also discuss the extraterrestrial hypothesis considering the thousands of exoplanets that have been discovered in the last twenty years. Powell challenges the reader to consider all the implications that must be considered if intelligent life discovers us first. He looks at how we as individuals and as a society react to UFOs. He documents actions taken by our military that include instances when we have fired on UFOs.

Powell argues that it is time for a change in the study of UFOs. The phenomenon has been with us for 75 years and we have learned very little as the decades have passed. The author makes the case for what needs to be done going forward. The solution he proposes will require a paradigm shift in our thinking and his book provides the information needed to understand that paradigm shift.

Robert Powell is a founding Board member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU). He was the Director of Research at MUFON from 2007–2017 and created MUFON’s Science Review Board in 2012. Robert is one of two authors of the detailed radar/witness report on the “Stephenville Lights” as well as the SCU report “UAP: 2013 Aguadilla, Puerto Rico”. He is also the primary author on the recently published paper, “A Forensic Analysis of Navy Carrier Strike Group Eleven’s Encounter with an Anomalous Aerial Vehicle” and a secondary author of a paper published in the journal Entropy entitled, “Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles.” Robert is a member of the Society for Scientific Exploration, the UFODATA project, and the National Space Society.

Shermer and Powell discuss: • technosignatures and biosignatures • convergent vs. contingent evolution • SETI science vs. UFO/UAP science • Are they out there? Have they come here? • what alien intelligence might be like (biological, digital, or otherwise) • Bayesian reasoning about UFOs and UAPs • the U.S. military UAP videos and what they represent • The Disclosure Project from the U.S. government • Projects Sign, Blue Book, Cyclops, Grudge • AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) • directionality and teleology in evolution of life • interstellar travel • Dyson spheres, rings, and swarms.

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nerve.com slash skeptic what's your interest what's your story how do you make the

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transition from being an electrical engineer and

1:13.7

computer designer of flashcards and so on to UFOs?

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Well, good question. So when I was a teenager, I'd read J. Allen Hynx book, The UFO Experience. So I thought it was interesting and I kind of put it aside right because life intervenes. I went to college, got married, raised a family. I didn't really have time to deal with

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UFOs at the time. I was fortunate. I was able to retire early, so I make my list, okay, what do you want to do in life for the rest of your life right so one item on the list was go back and look at that

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question of UFOs and see if there's any substance to it at that

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I was the question of UFOs and see if there's any substance to it. And so that's what I did. And I started that journey off by joining Muthon,

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because that was the only organization I was aware of at the time.

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And that was in 2006.

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And along the way, I ran into a guy

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Professor Michael Swords, who is a uphologist.

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He's from Western Michigan University, and he got, I was attracted to him because he looked at it from a scientific

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perspective and so that's what really got me more and more interested in the

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subject.

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Right, so you gave up doing your day job and then started collecting information, interviewing people, going to different places where there were flaps or sidings or whatever and then

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writing it all up and now we have a book on the subject. I read your book I

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