Hello, hello. I'm Brittany Luce and you're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR, a show about what's going on in culture and why it doesn't happen by accident.

This week, we're connecting the dots between UFOs, milk, and election fraud.

I know, I know.

How are all of these things connected?

Well, we're going to find out with authors Kelly Weil and Mike Rothschild.

Kelly, Mike, welcome to a spin a minute.

Thank you.

Thanks for having us.

My pleasure.

Okay.

So humor me here.

Do you think we're alone here on Earth? You think there could be life elsewhere?

I think it's totally plausible that there's life elsewhere. The question is whether there is a large government cover-up hiding it from us. And I think that is what conspiracy theorists are really invested in.

What do you say, Mike? I think statistically, given the size and age of the universe,

it seems pretty likely that life has existed somewhere at some point. Now, does that mean they're here and, you know, flying around and dueling it with F-16s seems unlikely, but you never know.

You never know. You never know. I'm not going to lie. I'm not full X-Files pilled.

I definitely agree that there's something out there, at least there's a good chance that there's

something out there. And I'm not alone. Last week, Congress held a joint

hearing on UFOs and UAPs, also known as unidentified anomalous phenomena. Not a name I would

have picked. The United States government was accused of conducting secret UAP crash retrieval

programs. And there was even an admission that, quote, advanced

technologies not made by our government or any other government, are monitoring sensitive

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