And the Hey everybody. Welcome to Crackpot, the podcast where each and every week we dive into a different

conspiracy theory and discuss the merits or demerits of each. We're your hosts. I'm Tim and I'm

Zach.

Zach.

Tim we've been talking about this one for years now at least 10 maybe 15 years. No, I mean since since the show started, since its inception,

I think this might actually be what inspired us to kick this all off?

Oh, I mean, yeah, considering this is our 1,000th show tonight,

it only felt appropriate to do this topic, right?

Yeah.

But I mean, as we've've gone through we've done shows about

abductions and UFO sightings and weird goingsons and things like that,

FOO fighters and stuff in World War II, we've always referenced

these New York Times articles, but we've never actually sat down on the show and discussed him.

So I think this is a good opportunity to dive in because there is some crazy, crazy stuff.

And I even realized myself, I don't know if you did too, although I read them when they came out,

like I had forgotten just the enormity and severity, I guess, of like what these are actually

talking about and like what is in the public domain now.

So when I read on the first time, you know, kind of as they were coming out, I also didn't pay a lot of attention

to really what they were saying, like, yes, I took away a very like surface level you know value of what the context of the article was and I was like oh that's cool that's weird

But now going back going through all of these carefully and really thinking about what they're saying.

I'm like, oh, okay, this is real.

Using your law school education to be like, well, it sounds like they're saying this,

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