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This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That's me. It's powered by digital media. I'm here with Jason

Calcanus. Podcast are extraordinary. I've a lot to live up to here.

Hi, Jason. Hey, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Give us your full, not your full bio. Yeah. Just give me your two-sentence Wikipedia, the top of your Wikipedia. Well, you can go right to the controversial section because it seems like two-thirds of my Wikipedia pages, controversy. Just tell people, everyone who's listening knows what you do.

I'm an angel investor in 150 companies is what most young people know me for today. But people who are over the age of 40 know me as the Silicon Allie reporter. I started a magazine when I was in my 20s here in New York. In between, I did weblogs, Inc., which is a blogging company that did Engadget. You have a reading Engadget or you're hanging out at AOL and reading something that's not Huffpo.

You're probably reading something Jason helped start. Sure. We sold that to them. And then I started a company Mahalo, which got incredibly big, incredibly fast and got smaller, even faster. And then iterated and made it inside.com. and I've been tooling away at that startup for what seems like a lifetime.

Decade, I think.

And I think of you as, as among other things, the guy who invested in Uber. One of many. It is a defining moment in my career. So you invested in Uber early as an angel investor and you were set for life. It's probably the third or fourth investor in Uber. I met, I know Travis for 20 years. I knew him as a journalist, and I had interviewed him famously when he was doing a company called Scour. Scourer was Napster, except he had this

clever idea to have it also support media types like video or PDFs or documents. And he got

sued for a quarter trillion dollars, $250 billion, the largest lawsuit

in the history of media at the time. I don't know if there's been a bigger one. That's a good claim

to fame. Yeah, and I sort of can tip you off onto, you know, one of the defining characteristics

of Travis, who is a very good person. I know he's been much maligned recently,

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