This is Need to Know.

Real talk about unidentified anomalous phenomena.

From Australia, Ross Colthardt.

From the U.S. Bryce Zabel.

Well, here we are in UAP summer.

I mean, right now I guess you could call this the calm after the storm of the hearing the week ago.

And now maybe the calm before the next storm, which would be another hearing that people are talking about for September.

In this episode, Ross and I are going to revisit

our continual discussion of whether it's sizzling or fizzling out there in UAP disclosure world.

We're going to talk about people who have seen David Grush and say, yeah, but where's the evidence?

Where's the proof? We're going to talk about that straight ahead.

We're going to talk maybe about why this time is different, why this time you should be paying attention to what's going on instead of just saying, until I see the craft or someone who has seen the craft, I'm out of here. We're going to talk about that.

And finally, Ross, who is over in Sydney right now, and I want to bring into the show,

Ross, I was shocked to hear that you're actually communicating with Sean Kirkpatrick.

Well, yes, I want to respect the privacy of my approach because I'm desperately hoping that

if we behave ourselves, we might get an interview

with him. But I have put a bid in to Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the boss of the all-domain

anomaly resolution office, and he very kindly responded. I have to admit, when I spoke on

our weaponized podcast appearance a week ago, and I said that

it was crazy that Arrow didn't have an email address or a phone number or even a website,

somebody very, very helpful and probably a little bit naughty in defense, sent me Dr. Kirkpatrick's

direct email and phone number. And so I won't be revealing that out

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