Oh, I'm so excited.

Welcome into episode 20 of the UAP, the Unidentified Alien podcast, Stephen Deiner right here.

Karen, Curtis, over there.

And we are excited today, Karen, because this is, we've been waiting to do this one for a couple weeks about a man named Randy Kramer.

So today's going to be very interesting. I mean, I knew he was crazy, but now I see he's nuts. Just wait until you hear this story about this guy, what he claims. And look, we are always open to keeping our minds open. Yeah, we're just presenting it to you. Right. What you do with it is your own business. That's correct. But when I heard this story a few years back and again, it's one of those things that I've been sitting on and afraid to talk about it because people might think I'm absolutely insane if I mention it to them. But that's what we do here. It is a podcast to kind of release to vent on stories that may not be so crazy after all, especially since the government

came out with that report back in the summer.

Yeah, you know, this guy is so matter of fact, and he speaks kind of eloquently about what he

says happened to him and the things that he's done out in space that you tend to believe him.

I mean, who is this guy that we're talking about, Randy Kramer, right?

Yeah.

Here, this, he explains his bio.

Well, I'm a captain of United States Marine Corps special section, which is the covert

military space program arm of the Marine Corps, which was formed in about the

1954 timeframe by President Dwight D. Eisenhower's response to his lack of cooperation that he was

getting from the MJ12 committee. Whoa, that was a lot. There was a lot in there. So let's come

back to that because I first, Karen, I can't skip over our factoid. Oh, I can't do that.

I can't believe I forgot my factoid. No, that's okay because it was good. There's a little tease about what you're going to hear today from Randy Kramer. So there's a lot to uncover, a lot to unravel there. But we got to do the factoid first. Yeah, you know, we have the space station up there, and we had four astronauts came down, and we've got four that are heading up tonight, actually, back to the space station. But how many dead bodies are in space, Diener? I didn't know there were any. There's more than zero? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Why? A total of 18 people have lost their lives, either while in space. Wow. And I believe a dog, too.

Oh, my. He lose a monkey or a dog.

Or in preparation for a space mission in four separate incidents.

So given the risks involved in space flight, you know, that's a relatively surprisingly low number, I think.

That's crazy.

I mean, now that's, I don't mean this in an insensitive way, but that doesn't include the Challenger

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