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U.S. Foreign Policy in the Post Trump Era: A Conversation with Jake Sullivan

The DSR Network

Chris Cotnoir

Government

4.51.7K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2018

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Relax. Keep your champagne on ice. Donald Trump is still president of the United States. And his foreign policy--which is a crudely mixed cocktail of racism and greed with a twist of incompetence--is still what America is serving up to the world. But that won't always be the case. In fact a New Democratic House of Representatives may start changing some of it pretty soon. Which begs the question, where do we go from here? What about the tariffs and the transactionalism and the attacks on international institutions and the distrust of our allies and alliances is going to outlast Trump and what will change the day he leave the White House? We discuss in a great and wide-ranging conversation with one of the Democratic Party's foremost foreign policy thought-leaders, former National Security Advisor to V.P. Joe Biden and chief advisor to the Hillary Clinton Campaign, Jake Sullivan. You won't want to miss it.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/deepstateradio. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to another of our National Security magazine conversations. This time we are fortunate to have with us

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Jake Sullivan, a former senior US official in National Security both at the State Department and at the White House and top

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advisor to Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign. Jake, welcome.

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Thanks for having you, David.

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So one of the things we want to do on this series of conversations is talk a little bit about what is changing in the area of national security and what we can expect. And I thought I'd start with three areas where we have seen fairly substantial changes

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over the course of the past two years and then look a little bit at the future.

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And the place I'd like to begin is the recent comments by Secretary of State Farm Paeo that suggested that he was going to essentially

1:47.9

seek to institutionalize the nationalism of Donald Trump.

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In the past that nationalism has manifested itself in the

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president's statement and with our gradual serial withdrawal from a variety of international kinds of arrangements from TPP to the Paris Trade Accords to UN organizations and so forth.

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And you know. and so forth.

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And, you know, Pompeo made a speech in which he sought to sort of frame this as a policy and to suggest that there was more to come, that there were more institutions that the United States was in his language, essentially ceding sovereignty to, and that it was time for a reset and I

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guess I'd like your take on that and your sense of whether or not this is a short-term Trump aberration or whether there's something

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