One of the country's highest-ranking Catholic leaders and the top ally of Pope Leo is sharply criticizing the Trump administration's immigration enforcement calling ICE a lawless organization.

During an interfaith service this week, Cardinal Joseph Tobin, the head of the Archdiocese of Newark, urged members of the church to pressure lawmakers to block funding for ICE.

His remarks come after the deaths of Alex Preddy and Renee Nicole Good.

And after the detention of Liam Conejo-Ramos, a five-year-old boy

who was taken into custody by federal agents after arriving home from preschool

and sent with his father to a family detention center in Texas.

For more now, we're joined by Cardinal Joseph Tobin.

Thanks for being with us.

Good evening.

Before speaking out, I imagine you must have weighed the implications.

What specific moral and theological convictions ultimately compelled you to speak publicly?

I think the principal motivator was a concern for the common good. You know, in Catholic way of thinking and approaching social, moral, questions,

it's not simply the vindication of competing rights, but it's rather the preservation of the common good.

And so to look at how the actions in Minneapolis or anywhere else affect the common good,

those of people like whom you mentioned,

the refugees, people without legal status,

as well as the citizens of the United States.

And you've called not just for prayer,

but for political action, calling for the defunding of ICE,

as we mentioned.

What concrete changes do you envision? Well, I think what we want to do

is as much as possible is the use as a principal motivator, the human dignity of people. And I think

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