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Mind the Game

Tyrese and LeBron on Lazy Narratives, Playing the Villain and the Pacers Playoff Run for the Ages

Mind the Game

UNINTERRUPTED | Wondery

Sports

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to Part 2 of our very special episode of Mind the Game with LeBron James and guest co-host Tyrese Haliburton. In this episode, Tyrese and LeBron talk about the amazing 2025 Indiana Pacers playoff run, the NBA Finals against the Oklahoma City Thunder and of course Tyrese’s devastating injury in Game 7. Then the guys get into the lazy ‘overrated’ narrative that surrounds Tyrese and what it’s like being a villain in the NBA. And finally, the guys get into the teams that have been influenced by the Indiana Pacers including The Boston Celtics and the Phoenix Suns.


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0:00.0

Coming up on this episode of Mind the Game.

0:03.0

Us winning was forcing the networks to have to talk about basketball.

0:08.0

And I know that's hard sometimes for some people to talk about basketball.

0:12.0

So they quickly shifted it to how can we make this lame-ass conversation be about is Tyrese Helleber in a superstar?

0:19.0

Y'all 2025 playoff run. The game Tyre or whatever. The shot, oh my God, it bounced all the way to the top of the damn stadium. But it felt good the whole time. I promise it felt good the whole time. All I could think about going into game seven the night before was like, tomorrow is the biggest moment in my basketball career. If I've scored 10 points in the first quarter in my career, I don't think I've ever lost. So I nine in like, whatever, six minutes. You mentioned legacy and all that and changing the narrative with winning it. I think you did that even with y'all losing too. Right. The Celtics. They came into the season. A lot of people were saying, well, you know, might be lottery for the Celtics.

0:55.0

Jalen Brown basically said, the hell with your narrative, I'm about to go crazy.

0:58.0

Last year was a lot of, let me get the switch and JT and J.T. and J.B. just be two of the best players in the world in ISO and score. and score. They're doing a great job of getting switches and then having that pace within the

1:08.0

half court with the blurs, with the random action to kind of play out of that empowers everybody

1:13.0

else to play the right way. I would love to talk about. and then having that pace within the half court with the blurs, with the random action

1:10.8

to kind of play out of that empowers everybody else to play the right way.

1:14.2

I would love to talk about you being the villain.

1:17.1

I say this all the time, like, people love you until you become a threat to what they want.

1:22.5

Oh, for sure.

1:24.5

Things became a little different because of the whole overrated thing.

1:28.1

There are certain fans already did rock with me.

1:30.0

Now my peers are piling on top of that.

1:32.3

And then the fans are like, you know what?

1:33.8

Because his peers are doing that, we're in too, you know?

1:36.3

Like it has to be true.

1:37.3

It has to be true.

1:38.3

It has to be true. What I want to get to is, man, y'all playoff run.

1:59.0

Y'all 2025 playoff run. Coming into, you know, playing, you know, I guess you guys played Cleveland, you guys play Boston. Who did y'all play in the first round? Milwaukee? It was Milwaukee, New York. Or Milwaukee, Cleveland, New York. Milwaukee, Cleveland, New York. And then obviously, OK, see, okay, yeah. So, you know, you guys dominated that first series with Milwaukee. And then coming in and around two, with Cleveland having, they had the best record in the NBA that year, right? Yeah, they had the best record. They had the momentum. You know, everybody was picking them to go to the finals that year out of the east. Man, take me through that run. That run was magical, bro. Take me through it. Yeah, man. It was crazy. It was nuts. Probably, you know, the most special time I've ever had playing this game. The Milwaukee series, obviously, it's well-documented the history we have with them and they have with us. So, you know, when we got to match up with them, we were excited and took advantage of that and actually

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