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Cannonball with Wesley Morris

Tyra Banks Is (Kinda) Sorry

Cannonball with Wesley Morris

The New York Times

News Commentary, News, Arts, Society & Culture

4.79.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2026

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Back in 2003, a new reality TV show hosted and co-created by Tyra Banks convinced an entire generation that they too might have what it takes to become America’s next top model. Now, a new Netflix docu-series wants us to know just how badly the contestants were treated — by the show and sometimes by Banks herself. To Wesley’s surprise, Tyra Banks agreed to be interviewed for the series, “Reality Check: Inside America’s Next Top Model,” and to revisit some of the show’s most cringe and painful moments. Was it a genuine attempt at accountability? And are we satisfied by what we're hearing? Wesley invites Michaela angela Davis, a writer, editor and stylist, to talk about it. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0

I'm Wesley Morris and this is Cannonball today.

0:06.0

They're all gorgeous, but only one has what it takes.

0:15.0

In the old days of TV, and by old, I mean like the early 2000s, you were still channel surfing.

0:23.2

You know, like you take your remote and you'd flip around.

0:26.1

And when the show you were watching was in the middle of a commercial, you'd maybe watch some other show that you found interesting.

0:32.9

For a while, that was how I wound up at UPN watching America's Next Top Model, between Whoopi and, like, the West Wing.

0:42.4

But many, many other people watch this show, believing their modeling dreams could come true.

0:51.4

Now, there's a popular new docu-series about the show that needs us to know how bad America's next top model treated those women.

1:00.5

On the one hand, where is the news here?

1:03.9

It's the fashion industry and it's reality television.

1:07.6

It's reality television about people trying to break into the fashion industry.

1:12.9

We were watching for the inane challenges and the judgey scrutinizing of everything from teeth

1:20.6

and hair texture to walks and jiggle. But then I watched this thing.

1:28.9

It's called Reality Check Inside America's Next Top Model.

1:32.5

And I realized the show's host and star Tyra Banks agreed to sit for an interview.

1:37.4

And I'm like, that feels interesting to me.

1:40.5

At least right now in this national moment of denying responsibility for anything,

1:47.0

here is a person, maybe trying to practice accountability, maybe.

1:53.5

I wanted to bring all of this to Michaela Angela Davis, who's been in the fashion and beauty

1:58.9

industries for a long time. As a journalist, as a stylist, as an editor for Essence and my subway platform magazine

2:08.4

stand purchase, honey, where you can find out all about what was happening in Black Beauty.

2:13.9

And I started by asking her to go back to 2003 when top model started.

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