Tyra Banks and Naomi Campbell | 12

Diss and Tell

Wondery

Society & Culture, Comedy

4.2 • 777 Ratings

🗓️ 21 August 2023

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Supermodel Naomi Campbell ruled the runway until Tyra Banks burst onto the scene in the 90s, challenging her crown. This ignited a media storm, pitting two iconic women of color against each other in a rivalry that shaped the fashion world for three decades. From backstage trash-talking to glamorous yacht photo shoots and a dramatic reality TV face-off, we'll peel back the layers of their feud. Was this rivalry fueled by personal ambition, or was it a mirror reflecting the underlying racism in the fashion world?

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0:00.0	Matt, did you have a rival in high school, someone that, like, you just straight up did not get along with?
0:13.6	That's two different things to me.
0:15.7	I had a rival who wasn't like an enemy.
0:18.5	It was just like, you know, I was an overachieving kid.
0:22.1	Ah.
0:22.8	And I wanted to be valedictorian.
0:25.8	I wanted to be the one who was the best.
0:29.1	Nerd.
0:29.8	And Andre was always one step ahead of me.
0:32.1	Andre.
0:34.7	Andre.
0:35.6	I don't know why it's such a funny name for your rival.
0:40.0	Well, this view that we're covering today sort of mimics that high school dynamic,
0:44.5	but it more so involves like a senior in the theater department suddenly becoming threatened by a freshman who can belt or something.
0:52.2	I was going to say, oh, so it's like the cool kids instead of the nerds, but no, theater kids
0:57.1	are still nerds.
0:58.0	No.
0:58.9	What world are you living in?
1:02.3	We are going to begin this feud by jumping back to 2005, and we're actually going to begin
1:08.3	in a place that I imagine is very familiar to you,
1:11.4	which is the set of the Tyra Bank show.
1:15.6	I love that every episode you find a new and different way to call me gay.
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